Waiting for Ken Ham to make a fool of himself tonight.
What I’m not looking forward to is for further baggage to be pushed on Christianity.
You don’t have to be anti-science, sexist, believe homosexuality is a sin, or believe in a lot of other Evangelical/Catholic tag lines to be a Christian.
And in fact, if you don’t believe those things it will probably make you a better Christian.
One should take the Bible seriously but not literally.
Hello Ian and Andrew :)
I have followed your blog for quite some time now. Your discussions on homosexuality, concerning the scriptures, are very interesting. I have learn't more about the context of each, which has been truly eye opening.
I know your stance on the general scriptures of Levitucus, Romans, Corinthians etc., concerning homosexuality but what about marriage? I know the bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. So if homosexuality isn't wrong, then how do we justify homosexuals getting married? What is your stance?
I am still debating on what I believe and would love to hear any insight you can give me.
First, thanks for following!
I’d say marriage was defined in the bible based upon cultural setting, and at the time marriage was for procreation. Marriage was almost entirely about gaining more strong, Jewish boys! (Perhaps that’s an overstatement, but it was still huge aspect of marriage!)
I’d also say since we aren’t living under old Hebrew laws, those old definitions are unneccesary for Christians to live under! And also concerning the Bible, marriage between males or females is NOT condemned/mentioned(at all) either! So, that also being the case, I also take that as a green light to marriage!
Thanks for readin’ the material I provided! I’m impressed you read them! haha
I do understand what your saying. Like I can't argue with how you say you feel His presence, because I'm not you. But like, I just hope that if He work through His Spirit to like show you how its a sin, that you will listen to it. You know? Like looking at it my view. I will look at some of your stuff though. I can't say I'll change my mind and you probably wont change yours. For me like, I personally don't believe that people are born gay, because I go back to the basics of nature. And like for me, the main reason why I don't believe your born that way is because 2 guys, or girls, can't reproduce. And I feel like that's common sense, at least how I see it. And another, is how it really is talked about how its wrong in the Bible and also how in the Bible, no man or woman of God was gay. Like God did a pretty good job of putting everything in there to help us, and I just feel like God would have told us that its okay, instead of saying how its a sin.
You should check out this guys blog niquelejon.tumblr He was/is like gay but he knows its a sin, and well there's just a lot of good stuff on his blog. I talked to him and I respect him a lot because hes the first gay Christian I have ever talked to that agrees its a sin, and is trying to take that sin out of his life. Like he doesn't let him being gay, define who he is. And he treats it like any other sin!
Read this post by him, and if you want, tell me what you think! "I wasn't born this way, I didn't choose this."
Thank you for approaching in a civilized, kind manner =) I want to say that, first off!
To answer some of you’re points, I must reiderate homosexuality is never spoken of in the Bible as a sin. Homosexual acts in the context of rape or promisicuity is, though. And the best science can offer does show that homosexuality IS natural(http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx, http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/ak-hhscale.html). In addition homosexuality has been documented in 1500 different animals(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior,http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx)! And As far as no one in the Bible being gay(and I’d agree), understand most of the planet is either straight or bi, so the odds that God’d choose a heterosexual person are greater than if he chose a homosexual. I have plenty of resources on my side bar that go into detail, I suggest you read them to gain a greater understanding of where Me and Andrew and other Gay Christians come from.
And another thing, you don’t need to be able to reproduce with the person you love to be born homosexual. I don’t understand your reasoning for that being an obstacle to the biology of homosexuality, I would appreciate clarification. And again, scientific evidence(which I’ve cited) says otherwise; that you are born gay/bi/straight/etc.
If you had read through my sources, you’d see that niquelejon and I have a history of discussion together, he also follows me. I check in on him from time to time and twice we’ve spoken on our views on homosexuality. And just because there are those of us who accept our homosexuality and accept the fact that God doesn’t condemn it, doesnt mean we let it define ourselves. We just intergrate it into our lives and live with it, and live happily at that! At least niquelejon doesn’t think he chose to live as a homosexual!
Having read all that niquelejon has to offer on the matter, here is something for you: http://www.godmademegay.com/Letter.htm. This is the theology on the matter. (I, again, have tons of sources of my own doing in my info bar).
Homosexuality is NOT a sin!
Details on my blog(see ‘about me’ info-section)