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“Love” has been used to oppress me. “Love” has been the hand pushing me away. “Love” has been the voice telling me I’m going to hell unless I change. “Love” has been the reason for my broken heart. “Love” tells me I must sacrifice my love. “Love” tells me it’s only trying to care for my soul. “Love” sees me as second class. “Love” sees me as broken. “Love” tells me I’m being selfish. “Love” tells me whats “Biblical”. And my beliefs certainly aren’t “Biblical”.
“Love” quietly stands on the side as a bystander. “Love” says “Love the sinner, hate the sin”. “Love” tells me I’m “Welcomed, but not Affirmed”. “Love” tells me they can’t accept my relationships. “Love” tells me I’m living in sin.
The thing is…
I do need repentance. I need healing. I need to see myself as broken. I am selfish. My beliefs aren’t “Biblical”. I’m not “OK”. I need Jesus.
But not because my sexuality is sinful.
But because I’m human.
My relationships are a sacred, holy, and beautiful thing to God.
And this is why I don’t trust “love” in the context of Christians.
Rachel Held Evans puts it beautifully:
“…When Christians are told that God is love, but that “love” looks and feels like the opposite of what we know love to be (it’s angry, it’s emotionally unstable, it’s violent), it’s not a far journey to make for some leaders in churches to ALSO claim that their angry, unstable, and violent actions are “loving”. This is how abuse happens.”
The former archbishop compared the struggle for LGBT equality to South Africa’s battle to end apartheid.
"I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven," Tutu said, according to Australia’s Herald Sun. ”No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place… I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.”
If you don’t know who Tutu is and how renowned he is, you should learn more about him.
More after the jump. From Advocate via Enrique Molina
I had a very vivid dream last night, and I had this long conversation with an imaginary preacher. I asked him:
"Why is it that we base our supernatural beliefs so strongly off a physical book? Is God nothing more than physical words? Is he no more than just verses and scripture? Also, what’s with the whole "he" thing anyway? We can assume Jesus identified as "he" since he refers to himself as such, but God only says "I am." Somehow I don’t think it’s accurate to assume that God is a man, or has a penis, because the only reason our society refers to someone/something as "he" is if they are a man or have a penis and from what I understand, God doesn’t reproduce, God creates. Why is it that we’re constantly limiting teachings and references to only the Bible? Can we not look around and see all the many blessings that are around us and learn from our experiences? Can we not learn from small acts of kindness, good deeds, or love? I don’t think the Bible is complete fallacy, but it is not right to say that we believe in a supreme being and yet only base the teachings of that being off a physical book that has been changed by man over thousands of years. If we are to truly believe in the word of God then we should have enough faith to believe that the Bible is not the only way of preaching and teaching God’s love. I honestly wasn’t brought to the Lord though the Bible, I was brought to the Lord through the love of my family and the love I experienced around me. I was very young when I accepted Christ, so it’s safe to say I wasn’t looking for an explanation, or answers to some bigger question about life. I wasn’t looking for salvation from Hell (which I probably didn’t even know what that was at the time). I simply wanted to find love, and a place of belonging. How have we gotten to this point? How have we as a people resorted to scare tactics and hate? Love is of God. Why can’t people see it?"
I don’t remember him ever having an answer for me, but a few minutes later, I woke up.
A beautiful video message from Believe Out Loud with pastors outside the Supreme Court, talking about marriage equality and what they would like to say to the LGBT community!
The leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin, has posted the address of a gay couple on his Twitter account with a warning that a “British justice team” would turn up to give them “a bit of drama.”
The couple were brought to the attention of the political leader when they won damages against a hotel owner after she refused to give them a room with a double bed because it conflicted with her religious beliefs. They were awarded £3,600 in compensation after their claim of unlawful discrimination.
Mr Griffin responded to claims that his Tweets were “disgusting and he should hang his head in shame” (Liberal Democrat MP Tim Farron) and that he is “an odious hypocrite” (Labour MP Chris Bryant) by Tweeting “Why don’t left & gay activists confront Muslims instead of picking on meek & forgiving Christians? Bullies are always cowards!”
I have always struggled with myself. In Islam, the idea of jihad was entirely internal—it was a struggle between the holy parts of us and the wicked. Similarly, we in Christianity note an internal war: one between the Flesh and the New Creation. Jesus tells us, “the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak” (Matt 26:41).
Yet, at the same time, Saint Paul tells us to “count [ourselves] dead to sin but alive in Christ Jesus” (Romans 6:11). I realize there is a lot of commentary about Romans, but I have always personally struggled with this passage. How are we count ourselves dead to sin if we still sin? How do I take part of the New Creation if I am plagued with sick fruits? We are ransomed from Death in sin, yes, but death to sin has not severed its power. Why is the war between the Old Self and the New Self still going on? I am not going to lie—I feel enslaved by my sin. The chains are hard to break.
What are these chains? We often make the mistake of confusing our gifts as sin itself. Why? Because they are hated by the world, and therefore perpetuated as vile creatures of the self. In the past, my thoughts about sexuality emprisoned me. I understood sex as a dirty thing, especially within a gay context. As a result, the fruit grew, but they were choked by these vines. The fruits were rotten. I thought to myself, “this is because of my sexuality. If I were not gay, these fruits would be fresh”.
What a lie.
It was not my sexuality, but the depricating thoughts that I applied to it. I did not see the chain; I was blinded by the Adversary. The beauty of my sexuality could not shine until the chains were ripped from their roots. How did I know?
I cannot say for sure. It was a gentle, small voice that told me, “be free”. It was a voice that did not destroy me, but built me up. It was a deep-hearted whisper that I thought maybe, just maybe, could be true.
The Holy Spirit is not as forward and loud as sometimes we put Him. He can be found in the silence just as much as he may be discovered with Tongues of Fire. The Holy Spirit is the one that inscribes the Law on our Heart. And this law is always lifegiving—not destructive.
And I trusted it. I pulled with struggle the chains that I felt were present. It was by no means an easy task; I struggled, quarreled, lost hope, found hope, gave up, tried and tried. Once I pulled it out, though, I felt free. Free in Christ. Dead to the Flesh, and alive in the New Creation. Moving closer to who I am meant to be.
We all have chains, and not just ones pertaining to our sexuality. Sin still ties us up. But we are the New Creation. We will not die. However chained we may be, our bodies have changed. We are the New Creation. However tired we may become, we will not fall asleep. We are the New Creation. And the New Creation is grounded in Jesus. The New Creation is grounded in Love.
So, whenever you struggle, look for the good fruits. Trust that gentle whisper in your heart. God has made you new. The Old Self is dead, and the New Self has been born. Break the chains, one at a time.
Everyday, we will get a little closer to liberating who you are. Your beauty has been transformed; it has become immortal. Love it and free yourself
Please reblog. For the love of Jesus (and I mean that), please reblog.
"God, I don’t know what my future holds, but I know who holds my future."
The Bible plainly states that people can overcome homosexuality. After listing a number of categories that typically characterize unbelievers, including “homosexual offenders,” Paul reminded the believers in the city of Corinth, “That is what some of you were” (1 Cor. 6:11).
Paul witnessed firsthand how the power of God’s mercy and grace drastically changed the lives of people, regardless of their struggles. And God can do the same for anyone today. Before focusing on the godly solutions Paul had in mind, let’s examine how living in a fallen, rebellious world contributes to broken relationships and confusing sexual attractions. [- Roman]
However the distinct lack of this phrase, ‘homosexual offenders’, in Scripture renders your argument null. There is no Scriptural mention of “overcoming homosexuality”. So while the Bible does state that one can overcome sin through Jesus, it does not classify homosexual behaviour into said sin category. Ergo, there is no reason to over come that which is not a vice or illness.
I would like to recognize that you are making the effort to have a civil discussion and exchange of thoughts, so thank you for that!
Some people speculate that the biblical passages indicating homosexual activity as sinful refer to a completely different kind of homosexuality than is practiced today.
For instance, they suggest that Leviticus 18:22, which states, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable,” is only condemning homosexuality associated with pagan religious practices. A similar claim is made regarding the apostle Paul’s comments about homosexual behavior in Romans 1:24-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10. Some propose that Paul’s statements referred only to pederasty (sex between men and boys) or prostitution involved in pagan worship. In either case, it is argued that Paul did not have in mind “loving and committed” homosexual relationships.
One of the major shortcomings in this sort of speculation is that there is nothing in the surrounding context of these passages that justifies limiting the meaning of these verses to homosexuality involved with pagan worship or to pederasty. The meaning certainly included such activities, but there’s no evidence to suggest that Paul was referring to these activities exclusively.
Conversely, the context shows, for example, that it’s impossible to restrict the meaning of Romans 1:24-27 to pederasty, given that Paul referred to female homosexuality in the same way as male homosexuality: “Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another” (vv.26-27).
Furthermore, an examination of the Greek word arsenokoites used by Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 clearly shows that his intent was to condemn all homosexual lust and behavior, including what takes place today.
Biblical scholars have long understood the Greek word arsenokoites translated “homosexual offenders” in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and “perverts” in 1 Timothy 1:10 to mean “one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite.”12 It’s also been demonstrated that Jews in the Greek civilization acquired the word arsenokoites from the Greek Old Testament text of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, which condemns homosexual activity in general.13
It’s evident that Paul didn’t restrict the meaning of this word to certain kinds of homosexual behavior. Even ancient Greek writings used it in a broad sense that would include all homosexual behavior.14 Therefore, according to Paul, all forms of homosexual activity are sinful.
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Here’s where I feel that this analysis is, while an interesting one, a flawed one. If you are looking towards defining the context of the verses in terms of what The Apostle Paul was saying about what was going on at the time, as well as how it can be applied to today, then the limitation of meaning needs to be done so by the words used. Obviously. However, the use of arsenokoites was not used in the terms of “homosexual offenders” until the 20th century (as the word homosexual didn’t even exist until 1868, and means something completely different now than it did then. If you’re interested in knowing where I got that date look up Jonathan Katz’ The Invention of Heterosexuality.).
Arsenokoites’ appearance in ancient Greek literature was extremely rare, and of the 73 instances that it was used it always referred to the word in the context of rape or sexual coercion. An example of areenokoites/arsenokoitai being used in Greek literature was the myth in which zeus raped ganymede. The Apostle Paul’s use of arsenokoites/arsenokoitai cannot just be chalked up to him magically redefining its usage to include what we know as homosexual relationships in general. That is careless study. Particularly seeing how if he were condemning homosexuality in general, there were far more popular Greek words that would make more sense in the context of these verses.
The other thing I want to suggest is that changing your sexual orientation from x to y or z is the sin that Paul is talking about when he states “and even the women exchanged their lusts”. Forcing oneself to change one’s natural sexual orientation is the sin, not “going gay” (not that one consciously could make that choice to begin with anyways without harming oneself immensely).
As an ex-ex-gay, I have experienced trying to change my sexual orientation and failed miserably. I was extremely depressed thinking that I was failing God, to the point where I was becoming suicidal. I know this is not the case for all ex-gays, but for most it is. And conversion therapies that have been produced by organizations like the Exodus Ministry have not only been proven to be psychologically harmful as well as based on archaic psychotherapies, but also have been proven to fail on a majority level (even their founders now condemn Exodus Ministry). Most people who have “succeeded” in becoming ex-gay (at least from what I’ve noticed) were bisexual or heterosexual (thinking that they might be gay) to begin with, as is the case with Joe Dallas author of Desire in Conflict. So “changing their orientation” is only a minor modification in their behavior, and not changing their orientation.
I’m not saying that you are unhappy or suicidal, or even damaged goods. I don’t know that and don’t want to make that assumption. I also don’t want to assume that you were bisexual or heterosexual and questioning. If you truly think that being ex-gay is what works for you, then by all means. However I cannot condone that or the theological ideology that you prescribe to.
I don’t want to get into an unending debate with you, as you and Ian have already been going at it with each other for a while now. Contentious arguing is going to get nobody anywhere fast, and the Bible is against such arguing, so I won’t partake in any such arguing.
As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.
I’m not going to point fingers as to who is being contentious, but I’m cutting it off here. If you would like to have a civil conversation with us in the future, that would be welcomed. But for now I think it would be best if we just let this sit for a while till our coals cool off. Lol.
I hope all is well, and God Bless.