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societykillscreativity said: Hi! According to the Bible, premarital sex is a sin. Do you believe that same-sex couples should be abstinent if unmarried or abstinent all together? Do you believe that same-sex sexual activity is not sinful in the context of marriage? Thanks! God bless you!

gaychristian:

It has always been our belief that sexual intimacy between persons of the same gender is not inherently sinful and LGBT people do not need to remain celibate. There is no theology backing up the argument that LGBT people should be celibate, only poorly justified man-made biases.

I think using an ancient text that reflects the cultural biases and norms of the time to inform one’s views on intimacy and its relation to marriage is not a good idea. According to the Bible, marriage is between:

  • A man and his brother’s widow (Genesis 38:6-10)
  • A man and multiple wives/or concubines (Abraham, Jacob, Solomon, others)
  • A man and his rape victim (Deut 22:28-29)
  • A man and his female slaves; male slaves got a little more dignity (Genesis 16)
  • A male soldier and his prisoner of war (Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:11-14)
  • A man and his half sister (Abraham and Sarah)
  • A man and his mother or sister, depending on your theological beliefs concerning Genesis

And realize that in the Bible and its time, it was all about men; women were more often than not property to be ‘enjoyed’ by men as they pleased.

To a large degree, I do not concern myself with what’s going on between peoples’ sheets (or elsewhere if they’re more adventurous). To the degree that I do concern myself, it is that the persons who are being intimate—regardless of gender— respect each other and recognize that their partner(s) is/are a human being and not an object of pleasure to be wantonly used and discarded without regard for their dignity or humanity; intimacy must be safe, consensual, and respect the other person or persons and their intentions. And because none of us are fully comfortable and because intimacy puts us in a place of high vulnerability, I highly caution intimacy with someone you do not know well and trust to treat you as you want to be treated.

Otherwise, I do not find it to be the place of any Christian to concern themselves with the intimate lives of anyone but their own self. It infuriates me that some Christians are too busy telling people what type of intimacy is allowed instead of helping the poor and the disenfranchised, being good stewards of God’s creation and demanding that the destruction of our Earth cease, or demanding an end to unnecessary war and violence. 

If you’re concerned with someone else’s safe and consensual intimacy, you need to rethink your belief system. It is not anyone’s place but God’s to judge this extremely private part of a person’s life. And when a person does so, they neglect issues that are exponentially more important and that might not be as big of a problem if Christians focused as much attention on them as they do on consensual intimacy. 

I’m grateful for the question and am surprised no one asked it sooner. —Enrique

www.gaychristian.tumblr.com

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societykillscreativity said: Hi! According to the Bible, premarital sex is a sin. Do you believe that same-sex couples should be abstinent if unmarried or abstinent all together? Do you believe that same-sex sexual activity is not sinful in the context of marriage? Thanks! God bless you!

It has always been our belief that sexual intimacy between persons of the same gender is not inherently sinful and LGBT people do not need to remain celibate. There is no theology backing up the argument that LGBT people should be celibate, only poorly justified man-made biases.

I think using an ancient text that reflects the cultural biases and norms and limited understanding of that time to inform one’s views on intimacy and its relation to marriage is not a good idea. According to the Bible, marriage is between:

  • A man and his brother’s widow (Genesis 38:6-10)
  • A man and multiple wives/or concubines (Abraham, Jacob, Solomon, others)
  • A man and his rape victim (Deut 22:28-29)
  • A man and his female slaves; male slaves got a little more dignity (Genesis 16)
  • A male soldier and his prisoner of war (Numbers 31:18, Deut. 21:11-14)
  • A man and his half sister (Abraham and Sarah)
  • A man and his mother or sister, depending on your theological beliefs concerning Genesis

And realize that in the Bible and its time, it was all about men; women were more often than not property to be ‘enjoyed’ by men as they pleased.

To a large degree, I do not concern myself with what’s going on between peoples’ sheets (or elsewhere if they’re more adventurous). To the degree that I do concern myself, it is that the persons who are being intimate—regardless of gender— respect each other and recognize that their partner(s) is/are a human being and not an object of pleasure to be wantonly used and discarded without regard for their dignity or humanity; intimacy must be safe, consensual (otherwise it’s rape), and respect the other person or persons and their intentions. And because none of us are fully comfortable and because intimacy puts us in a place of high vulnerability, I highly caution intimacy with someone you do not know well and trust to treat you as you want to be treated.

Otherwise, I do not find it to be the place of any Christian to concern themselves with the intimate lives of anyone but their own self. It infuriates me that some Christians are too busy telling people what type of intimacy is allowed instead of helping the poor and the disenfranchised, being good stewards of God’s creation and demanding that the destruction of our Earth cease, or demanding an end to unnecessary war and violence. 

If you’re concerned with someone else’s safe and consensual intimacy, you need to rethink your belief system. It is not anyone’s place but God’s to judge this extremely private part of a person’s life. And when a person does so, they neglect issues that are exponentially more important and that might not be as big of a problem if Christians focused as much attention on them as they do on consensual intimacy. 

I’m grateful for the question and am surprised no one asked it sooner. —Enrique

www.gaychristian.tumblr.com

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See? It IS possible to leave the heterosexual lifestyle and be the fabulous gay man God intended you to be!

-Ian

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thislilblogofmine:

that Leviticus 18:22 means that God wants all gay people to live lives of celibacy; well you have a rather large burden of proof to fulfill on your side of the argument. Not only must you contend with the words of Jesus as he explained the function of ancient Levitical Code and how we should…

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"What is Exodus’ new message to teens? “Live a life of hell on earth so you can get to heaven when you die?” Or, maybe their new recruitment brochure might say: “A life of sexual frustration and loneliness has never been so fun!”"

Truth Wins Out on Exodus International’s new “celibacy-only” stance for homosexuals.

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pegalicious:

Homosexuality is a SIN. It is stated as sexual immorality in both the Old Testament and New Testament.

Homosexuality is NOT a sin. It is not stated as sexual immorality in either The Old Testament nor The New Testament.

The Levitical verses only refer to the pagan fertility rites of the cult of Moloch, not to loving and monogamous homosexual relationships  themselves.

1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:9-10 often have the Greek word ‘arsenokoitai’ mistranslated as ‘homosexuality’ or ‘homosexual offenders’. But in reality the word makes no such connotation in Ancient Greek. The Sibylline Oracle and The Acts Of John both contain the word (where it is NOT translated as ‘homosexual/etc.’) however they use it in the context of economic corruption! In these cases, ‘arsenokoitai’ is used to condemn a variety of forms of corruption and immorality in general.

Then we have Romans 1:26-27, Paul is seen condemning heterosexuals for exchanging their natural sexual orientations for one that is false to them. In the debauchery of Ancient Rome, this is no surprise. We must recognize that homosexuals are born that way and that they do not simply exchange heterosexuality for homosexuality (it’d be a great way to put yourself at a disadvantage in society!) Paul also would have known this with the presence of “eunuchs” (who were of different categories in Ancient days: those who were cut, those who were celibate, and those who were born unattracted to womenDigest of Justinian 1.7.2.1, 1.7.40.1, 23.3.39.1, 28.2.6.) who were homosexual men.

It would be an uneducated and unchristian statement to label homosexuals as sinners anymore than are heterosexuals for whom they love and have relationships with.

-Ian

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Seriously considering a career not only in Constitutional Law, but also a PH.D in New Testament Studies for the sake of the safety of homosexuals and transgender people in the Church.

I say this primarily as I want to counter-weight Wesley Hill’s damage influence and promotion of the Conservative Religion across the world.

I think I’m going to enjoy this career choice (the Bible and Constitutional Law are already my amateur professions for that matter)!

-Ian

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Homosexuals are more likely to kill themselves because of the social stigma religious leaders place on it. It has nothing to do with simply being homosexual, there is no evidence that homosexuality is a mental disorder. In fact every major medical association affirms the fact it’s a normal part of human biology. You will not find one professional organization that promotes side-b or side-x (though some of these organizations may see side-b as less aggressive in it’s symptoms).

And this study is one of many used to denounce “ex gay therapy”, as much of what “ex gay therapy” aims to do these days, since sexual reorientation is unachievable. Most are just a form of ‘side-b’. Only a few still promote reorientation.

Returning to your idea that homosexuality is a cause for suicide, in States that have marriage equality homosexuals are actually healthier. Showing that where they are treated as equals, they are in fact healthier for it. And there are numerous studies showing that expressing your sexuality is very healthy for humans of all sexualities. Not necessarily by having sex, but simply also by being in a relationship at all (although sexual relationship is also very healthy for one’s mentality as it is evolutionary necessity).

So quite the opposite case you stated (“these statistics could also be applied against your cause”), they are actually directed exactly against proponents of side-b. You would have to contort it quite a bit beyond it’s true context to make it pro side-b (even then nobody educated would fall for it).

-Ian

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Medical Analysis of Celibacy-Only Theology

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 Suicidal Behaviors in Homosexual and Bisexual Males in Crisis, The International Journal of Suicide and Crisis Studies, Vol. 18(1), 1997, pp. 24-34 

Celibate homosexual men had the highest serious suicide attempt rate (2/13: 15.5%). For the 10.9 percent of males classified as homosexually oriented (currently homosexually active males, and celibate homosexual males), the risk ratio for a life-threatening suicide attempt was 13.86 : 1; that is, these males were almost fourteen times (5/82: 6.1% vs. 3/688: 0 .44%) more likely to have made a serious suicide attempt at some point in their lives than their heterosexually oriented counterparts. They also accounted for 62.5% (5/8) of the serious suicide attempters