tobiasgh-deactivated20121011 asked: They ignore the parts of the New Testament too.
From 1 Corinthians 11:3-9
11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Translation: women are inferior to men and were created for men, therefore they are the property of men.
From Romans 1:26-27
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Here, the “natural use of the women” that Paul refers to means a sex object for men. This is a popular Christian verse for speaking out against homosexuality, but the ignore the part about the “natural use”.
I think we can also conclude that Paul basically just hates everyone who doesn’t conform to his perfect bubble of morality. Forget Jesus, Christianity was invented by Paul - the greatest spin doctor of all time.
From 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
How can women be so devout in a religion that treats them like a piece of shit beneath the feet of men?
More importantly, why do you keep trying to justify, legitimize and rationalize something so hateful as accepting of gays? Why would you want anything to do with this religion?
1 Corinthians 11:3-9
Thereason Paul keeps refering to “covering your head” is that it was a symbol of submission, and in the Early Church the men were leaders and administrators within the Church (as was the norm in most all societies and cultures in that time). Women, however, were left to nuture and tend to domestic matters. And never are they restricted from teaching other women, children, or prophisying at all, only in matters regarding having leadership over men. It is obvious to me that this relationship reflects that of our/the Church’s relationship as the Bride of Christ and also seems to be a division of labour; where Men preach in Church and provide fatherly leadership for it, while the women provide a nuturing, motherly element!
This is clearly not sexist. Let me put it this way: Would you call a custodian qualified to teach a classroom? Or a teacher to mop up floors?
No. It doesn’t make sense.
Not that the custodian isn’t neccesarily untalented or useless, he’s just not qualified to teach a class. He has another job. Same with the teacher.
And when Paul says in chapter 11:8 “For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man”, he is not saying that the woman is inferor! He is refering to how God took Adam’s rib in the poem of creation and made Eve out of it. Also note how women are the “glory of man” in 11:7, and in Ephesians 5:25 where Paul says "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her". He is obviously not sexist, he doesn’t ordain women to “women be so devout in a religion that treats them like a piece of shit beneath the feet of men?” You would have to take a blindly biased stance to translate this passage as “women are inferior to men and were created for men, therefore they are the property of men.” That statement is overtly incorrect.
I’ve responded to this ad nauseum so I refer you to the following:
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Same answer as top.
Why do I defend my faith? Because there’s nothing wrong with it! It’s a very sensible religion if you know anything about the background of the writers of the Bible, ancient Old World history, or about Biblical context! It’s very clear, having put in a little effort, that the Bible and Christianity is hardly hateful. It’s simple, loving, comforting, and (sometimes) brutally honest.
Sure, there were/are people that hijacked it for their own vile, corrupt purposes and warped it until it wasn’t even Christianity/about Christ anymore, but it never died out. There were/are saints and other individuals who knew Christ wasn’t about Crusades and Inquisition! There were those who knew that Christ was all about love and forgiveness and that what the “church” was giving them must be false!
So Christians, even since they were persecuted under Nero and Caiaphas, always have remained a minority while grotesque and vomitous “christian churches”(I say that dubiously and angrily) ran rampant and grew like a cancerous tumour on humanity.
I provided you with the criteria of what Christ and the Bible say what Christians look like and what the Church does, I think that should help you define what ‘Christians’ are and are not!