jessemarinus replied to your photoset “Wow, these run the spectrum from outright condemning to having rainbow…”
Here in the Netherlands we don’t have a lot of activist against homosexuality, so the media doesn’t know about it. The religious families here don’t talk about it. Most of the gays here are against religion, so religious people are against them.
I see. In the US, you know who’s your friend and who’s your foe, because they make it pretty clear, And while LGBT Americans are more unchurched than non-LGBT Americans, there are many LGBT people of faith too! I hope you will be a voice to bridge this divide in your country. It will not be easy, but God is calking us to do it.
Anonymous said: Are you homophobic?
No not at all. I’m don’t ‘support’ the lifestyle, but I don’t hate them, or discriminate against them. Jesus still loves them, so I do too.
the christian way to say you’re homophobic.
Not even remotely true. There are some christians who fully support the LGBT+ community(such as I) and there are some who don’t. There are some who are crazy against it, some who are all for it and some like Jadathedirector who are neutral about it. Like she said, she doesn’t hate or discriminate against them, so why would that make her homophobic? If she says she doesn’t necessarily support them, that doesn’t mean she is homophobic. If we’re going to talk about homophobic christians let’s talk about Vladimir Putin.
First of all, if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. And what we need to discuss is not ‘homophobia’ but heterosexism. The Rt. Rev. Gene Robinson explains, “An ‘ism’ is prejudice plus the power to put that prejudice into practice.”
Based on the dictionary definition of prejudice (preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience), for one to say one does not approve of “the gay lifestyle” is prejudice. Usually what they really mean (and the only thing they can mean since there is no such thing as a gay lifestyle or significant difference between gay people and straight people other than the gender of their partner) is that they think gay sex is icky, and thus the persons engaging in this ‘conduct’ are declared ‘unnatural’ or ‘wrong’ simply because the person is too immature to discuss or empathize about how some people have sex. Thus they have formed a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience — PREJUDICE. This is notwithstanding the fact that those who accuse gay people with being only concerned with sex base their whole argument against what they call the ‘gay lifestyle’ on their obsession with sex and how we’re ‘doing it wrong.’
Now if the person puts this prejudice into practice —ex. voting against equal marriage, excluding LGBT people from the life of the church, or violence against LGBT people— that’s heterosexism.
You don’t have to be a tyrant like Vladimir Putin to be heterosexist. You just need the power to put prejudice into practice. Putin is an extreme example of this, but there are still subtle ways that people with power enshrine heterosexism, sexism, cissexism, or racism in our laws and in society. Also, ignoring or failing to realize and seek to transform this unjust hierarchical structure of society is part of this ‘ism.’
I think this ‘I love you but not your lifestyle’ stuff is just a softening of tone, since it’s increasingly not acceptable to put down gay people in polite conversation. —Enrique
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"GCI READER: I’ve messaged you before about things, and you’ve always been very helpful. I helped out at a Christian Youth Camp this summer, it was my first time and a few weeks ago I got added to the FB page of all the leaders and such. Today I was scrolling down the page, looking at the jokes. prayer requests and the love shared between the leaders and it made me feel very happy. But scrolling further back, I found a post with nearly a hundred comments on. It was an argument about homosexuality and the Bible and churches. It was really awful to read. I understand that these issues sometimes need to be discussed, but it’s just made me struggle a lot. One person was saying they still loved gay people, but they believed same sex relationships was still wrong and it should be taught like that and preached in Churches. But I just hate the concept of “hate the sin, love the sinner” because of suicide rates and feelings of guilt within the LGBT community. No one should feel like that, and preaching that God loves them but they’re feelings and lifestyle are wrong is still hurtful. How can non-Christian gay people come to Christ if the Church is condemning their feelings/lifestyle while still proclaiming God loves them?? I’m just so confused and really upset with the post and with the Church as a whole. I’m not sure I could worship a homophobic God, but some people are so adamant that God doesn’t approve. I’m not even sure what I think anymore and I know you have debunked the Bible verses talking about gay sex/relationships but there is still no affirmation of gay relationships in the Bible. I just feel lost."
First of all, I have ZERO tolerance for any religious institution peddling anti-LGBT nonsense to our youth, and I hope you wouldn’t either. As you said, it causes them to be self-loathing, to self-harm (and not just physically), or to even commit suicide. As Archbishop Desmond Tutu says, I would refuse to worship a homophobic God. And I cannot believe that God sees things like these so-called Christians do. In fact, the Bible says God does not see as mortals see; they look at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart (1 Samuel 16:7).
Sometimes I get so mad at the state of the Church too. Too often, she only seems concerned with genitalia, uteri, or micromanaging peoples’ personal lives. Any of those things should be our last priority. There are people starving and on the streets, there are children being caught in gunfire on city streets, there are women being beaten and abused, the environment is being destroyed, and warmongering threatens to tear the world apart. So why is anyone concerned about what two consenting adults are doing? It’s shameful.
We need voices to stand up and boldly challenge the religious establishment’s thought process, because it’s seriously flawed. Won’t you be a voice? It won’t be easy, but we have to take back the Church.